About Star Wars 8..;

This here new one had the best moments and set pieces of any of the films.

That last lightsabre duel on the salt flats? Gorgeous.

The twist in Snoke's throne room? Jaw-dropping.

However, they *are* scattered a bit thinly throughout the two-and-a-half hour runtime. Some of the plotting that pads that out is a little undisciplined (looking at you, "Master Codebreaker"). Still good though.

OMG IT'S A HAMISH! HI BUDDDDYYYY!

Cirno wins. I can’t believe I forgot to mention that it was the best part.

Harrier and Cy (and potentially Person), would you be willing to list things you liked about episode VIII if I gave a list of things I hated?

I'm late <3

but uh...

Spoiler:

I think the movie had some good things...but it had a lot of really stupid things in it too.

The Holdo/Poe/Leia stuff is beyond stupid. I get it, the director wanted points for making a more pro-feminist/Progressive Star Wars by having another strong female character and having the male character at odds with her be wrong and learn a lesson. I'm actually fine with that by itself, but the way they went about it was so damn stupid. Leia and Holdo hold back vital information for literally zero reason except to piss off Poe.

Poe himself is a terrible character here. In the first film, you got that he was the Solo archetype. Doesn't always play by the rules, but is a good soldier and has a good heart.

Here, he's an arrogant fucker who thinks way too highly of himself and comes off as a traitorous asshole who should have been locked up for his mutiny. But of course, he has to look bad, so that the women look good/powerful by comparison against him.

Basically, they tried to gain Holdo the same kind of credit that Wonder Woman got in her film, only they went about it in a terrible and stupid way that does a disservice to all the characters, the story, and the goal in general.



The casino stuff was dumb and only exists because the writers realized they needed SOMETHING for Finn to do to justify his existence, and decided to tack on a dumb romance subplot with Rose, who basically exists to be a love interest, AND to let the movie provide some incredibly ham fisted social commentary with political overtones.

Cause that's why I go to a Star Wars movie, to be lectured about how republicans and rich/white people are bad.

I agree with a lot of what Sylvie has had to say on this, especially in regards to Kylo Rens character. I like that he ditched the mask, and I LOVE that Hux tried to stand up to his taking over the First Order. It makes SENSE that he would, because Kylo Ren has in NO way shown he's ready and responsible enough to be the leader, and has no trust of anyone. Hopefully the sequel shows more of than. First Order people joining the rebellion because of the bad leadership maybe?

Phasma's death bugs me just because they never gave her anything to work with. I don't need backstory on her, but I need SOMETHING to make me care about her battle with Finn. Hell, if anything, as it's presented I'm willing to take her side over Finns (but more on him later).

Snoke bothered me in the last movie, because aside from being given ZERO information on him, they tried to replicate the Vader/Emperor thing from the original trilogy. The problem with that is that, you didn't need to give The Emperor backstory or build up, because his build up was Darth Vader himself.

Vader spends two films being a complete and utter badass that everyone is deathly afraid of, and is shown to be the guy that EVERYONE answers too. For all intents and purposes, he pretty much LEADS the Empire during the first two films.

Then come the third, you see that there is a guy that even this Sith badass KNEELS to and calls MASTER!? Holy Shit, the Emperor HAS to be powerful as fuck if VADER is kneeling to him.

With Snoke/Ren, that relationship didn't come out well because...well, I mean, look at Kylo Ren in the first film. He's a whiny, angsty, impulsive little shit, who throws massive temper tantrums, has no emotional control, and LOST a lightsaber fight against people who NEVER HELD A LIGHTSABER BEFORE. Nobody fears him, and its clear that he has no real power and that the only reason his own First Order tolerates him is because Snoke is behind him.

So because Kylo doesn't build up Snoke at all, we need either more info on Snoke, or a display of Snokes abilities to figure out what his deal is or if he's worth caring about. This movie gave us a little, and I loved that, but then he gets killed off before we can do MORE with it, which is a let down.


Porgs were fine. Cute, funny, didn't overstay their welcome.

Rey/Kylo is a good story, eager to see where it goes. Good acting by Daisy Ridely.

Rey's parents being junkers who abandoned her is great. Loved it. Had she been a Skywalker or Kenobi, it would have frankly reeked of fanfiction and ruined a lot of good things about her, and I like the message that anyone can be a jedi.

For people saying "Mary Sue", piss off. If anything, freaking Luke was a Gary Stu in the original trilogy.

I hate Finn. I said it. Finn fucking sucks. I hated him in Force Awakens because his comedy was dumb, and he just comes off as so goddamn self rightous and arrogant.
"Oh, I was a stormtrooper for years, but never killed anyone, because killing is wrong and I hate killing!" *immediately goes on to kill as many storm troopers as needed* "You're all bad people! You deserve to be killed by me, because of your killing because killing is wrong!"

He comes off as just this self rightous asshole. He was abducted into the order at a young age, like all the stormtroopers who weren't clones were, and yet never so much as spares a thought that maybe there are some like him who could be turned, or shows even the slightest bit of regret over anything. He hates killing, but will happily kill the fuck out of First Order people, because...well, because they are the bad guys, so that makes it okay?

Even in this film, his comedy his dumb, he's here for Rose to do all her social commentary, and he basically has little reason to be here. The actor is fine, but the character is poorly written, inconsistent, and has really dumb motives. Also, for a guy that's been trained since birth to be a stormtrooper, he apparently can't fight for shit.


Luke was Luke. We all figured Luke would die. For what it was, it was handled fairly well and made for a few awesome scenes.

as for the HOPE stuff...yeah, it's really hard to believe that, when we aren't shown much of the galaxy outside of what the characters are doing. As far as I, the viewer, can tell, the rest of the galaxy is probably just hoping the First Order and Rebellion stop their dumb pissing contest and let them live in peace already.

Overall, it wasn't a terrible movie, and it had some really amazing parts to it...but I also didn't love it, and it had a lot that I disliked, like Finn, and the social commentary stuff.

I have literally not read a single comment in this thread. This makes me a bad person. So be it.

This move is terribad. If it was not a Star Wars movie, it would have a 10% on Rotten Tomatoes, and it would be a forgettable film in a sea of mediocrity.

My review.:

Writing was awful. Acting was fine. Music was not noteworthy (heh). Special effects were nice. 2/10.

I rate things on a 5 star system, Last Jedi is a 2/5 from me. Not as bad as the mess that is the prequels but pretty damned close. Playing it safe with Force Awakens was OK with me, this was the opposite, this was a near mess.